Tennis

[laurenj]

Sept 9, 2018 18:24:25 GMT -4 lea1977 said:

How about that ref that got out of the chair and gave a little pep talk to that male player that was in a pissy mood and tanking his match?

Yeah, his opponent filed a complaint about that. And if umpires get down from their chairs every time Kyrgios is in a pissy mood or tanking a match, that would be a lot of climbing up and down. He's been fined for obvious tanking in the past, but it doesn't seem to stop him.

I agree completely with everything you said, except for the part about the coaching not being her fault. The coach is her employee and she's responsible for what he does. I'm sure he's in a heap of trouble with her today, especially for admitting that he did it to Pam Shriver! That left Serena in a really bad position when she did her press conference.

True, but in that moment, what could she do? She's on the court, he's in the stands. If he makes a decision on his own to give coaching, she can't stop him from down there.

As for admitting it, he really didn't have a choice. They kept replaying the moment over and over on the big screen, you could see him watching it replay, it would have been pretty ballsy for him to pretend it didn't happen in the face of video evidence. Her only choice was to say she didn't see him, not sure if she is saying that or not.

The thing that annoys me about the coaching ban is that it doesn't equal cheating to me. No matter what the coach says, the player still has to execute the plan successfully. He can tell her to go to the net, but that doesn't mean she's definitely going to win the point.

[Ginger]

Serena's coach indicated that his coaching during the game was business as usual, so it's not like he went rogue with this one unauthorized incident. She's in charge of what her coach does, including how far she wants him to push the no-coaching rule. If he's not acting within her authorized bounds, then she needs to fire him.

As of today, Serena has been turned into a full-on martyr. Her stans have gotten very annoying.

[Neurochick]

Sept 10, 2018 12:13:49 GMT -4 Ginger said:

Serena's coach indicated that his coaching during the game was business as usual, so it's not like he went rogue with this one unauthorized incident. She's in charge of what her coach does, including how far she wants him to push the no-coaching rule. If he's not acting within her authorized bounds, then she needs to fire him.

As of today, Serena has been turned into a full-on martyr. Her stans have gotten very annoying.

Well, that racist cartoon certainly didn't help.

[Ginger]

Slate has a very interesting article about the complexity of the situation, which is what I find fascinating about the whole thing.

Remember when some people thought Serena's very participation in the sport of tennis was unfair because she was so much bigger and stronger than her opponents? (I do)

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With all the shit Serena has endured from the day she and Venus stepped into the world of tennis, I fully expected her to snap out in anger. It's unfortunate that it happened at a Grand Slam final. But I will not blame her for her anger. Her legacy will still stand. Serena is tennis right now and folks will always be mad about that.

[Karrit]

Sept 12, 2018 7:52:55 GMT -4 @stardancer2001 said:

With all the shit Serena has endured from the day she and Venus stepped into the world of tennis, I fully expected her to snap out in anger. It's unfortunate that it happened at a Grand Slam final. But I will not blame her for her anger. Her legacy will still stand. Serena is tennis right now and folks will always be mad about that.

Yeah, the people on my Facebook feed who are bent out of shape about Serena are the same folks who say “ALL Lives Matter!” No surprise really.

And that newspaper in Australia that printed that awful cartoon of Serena have doubled down and printed it on the front page today in the guise of discussing “political correctness.” Of course, it is a Rupert Murdoch publication. 🙄

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I can't believe the legs this story has grown and is running with.(well I can)

This is the sport that gave us such restrained types, Nastase,Connors, McEnroe, Invanisevic, Phillipousos, Kyrious and many more male players who made headlines but mostly forgotten by next day. I can only remember McEnroe being warned/point docked/game gone in an Aussie Open early 90s I think most others went as far as fines/warnings non critical point docked I'm probably incorrect.
Serena didn't do any worse(imo coach coaching when shouldnt be coach should be warned/fined )than those above the story should be Naomi Osaka wins First US Open and Serena part a few lines in another paragraph if all things were equal its very clear things arent
Also thinking of the double standard, didn't a female player this tournament as well was warned/fined for switching her shirt around or a quick change at back of court (yeah blah boobs! blah decency police sports bras cover more than bikinis anyway blah boobs! blah) when male players just change shirts at change overand no issue.

[Ginger]

McEnroe was punished pretty several because of his outbursts. He was disqualified from multiple tournaments, he was once suspended for 21 days, and he was denied honorary membership in the All England Club.

At the Australian Open in 1990, McEnroe was in the same situation as Serena in that he was on his third violation when he went at the umpire. But back then, the penalty for a third violation was disqualification from the tournament rather than just a game penalty and he was kicked out.

There have been some misleading memes going around....So-and-so screamed at an umpire but wasn't docked a game. Serena was only docked a game because of the number of violations she accrued. Some of those players received the same violation Serena did, but were still at the warning stage or the point deduction stage. Most players will make sure not to get to a third violation.

Anyway, it should all be moot because the umpire shouldn't have started giving out code violations in the second set of the final, which is what started the whole cluster. In other sports they say that there is a time for the ref to swallow his whistle. That was the time for the umpire to keep quiet.

I don't think a single person who liked Serena before this who now dislikes her, and the people who dislike her always did anyway. It was just an unfortunate way for a final to play out.

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Andy Murray to retire this season after Wimbledon.but his injury may force it sooner.

Aw Andy I hope we him play in Wimbledon one more time i hate seeing injuries force players out before they wish to. Cmon Andy!! (But obviously if pain to great step away look after yourself and enjoy your family)

How lucky am I as tennis fan to witness the Era that is of Roger, Rafa. Novak and Andy.

Summed up perfectly by Wimbledon twitter Account.

[Karrit]

Big Andy fan here. Very saddened by this news, but not terribly surprised. I look forward to see what he does after his retirement.

I go back and forth over the idea that Andy should coach Kyrgios. Andy seems to be the one person Nick would actually listen to, and if he did, Nick could be the best in men’s tennis. But I could also see Nick frustrating Andy by not working as hard as Andy has.