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Post by prisma on May 20, 2019 18:31:08 GMT -4
Tom and Lorenzo's take on the episode felt about right. Was I the only one who thought Jon might climb on Drogon when he flew up to inspect the murder scene? TLo mention this in their article, but the Red Keep where the council meeting took place seemed to survive the reign of fire just fine.
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Post by angelaudie on May 20, 2019 20:37:50 GMT -4
I liked it. *shrugs* It wasn't perfect but overall I was satisfied.
Things I think we can all agree on: Music, especially the use GOT theme throughout the episode, was on point. Sansa's hair and crown was awesome. Drogon nudging Dany was the saddest thing ever. Jon petting Ghost was the biggest FINALLY moment. The shot of Dany with Drogon wings was AWESOME!
Jon's ending: Satisfying. It's bittersweet but it feels right. Yeah, it meant his true parentage kinda led to nowhere but I think that's kinda the point. Yeah, the throne was his birthright but that doesn't mean it was right to give him the throne. He didn't want it and would have a weak ruler. For all his faults Jon seemed to know that. Jon can eventually find peace with the Wildlings and that's where he needs to be. Though was I the only one who got some serious Night King vibes that final shot of Jon?
Sansa's ending: Again, satisfying. I don't mind her obtaining power because it does feel like an ending she's earned. They sprinkle scenes throughout last season and this season to show she has ruling capabilities. Her telling her uncle to STFU was most excellent. And again. Her crown and hair was on point.
Arya's ending: Nailed it! I can't imagine Arya's story ending in either other way. Bring on the series of Arya's adventures!
Bran's ending: Whaaaaaa?! "Why do you think I came all this way?!" When did he realize he was going to be king?! Has he been manipulating people all this time?! I do think people have gone slightly overboard with the criticism of this season but yeah a throw away scene or two showing Bran is capable of ruling would been nice! Though for a guy who didn't want to be king he's settled into the role quickly! And really we are denied watching Bran looking for Drogon?
The Starks in general: They made out pretty well all things considering. And I'm fine with that. They've all been through hell so the endings felt earned to me. And I'm pretty sure this how it will end for the Starks in the books. The final book was originally going to be called "A Time For Wolves" after all. The montage of the Starks doing their walks at the end was well done.
Dany's ending: Was this going to end any other way? I'm also the one person who didn't think Dany's actions in episode 5 wasn't out of nowhere. I also got crazy tyrant vibes from her. Her story is tragic though. Interesting that Drogon, named for Drogo who never saw the point of the Iron Throne, is the dragon that survived and melted it. Dragons are supposed to have a mental connection with their riders so it's entirely possible he did understand the Iron Throne is what led to Dany's downfall.
Tyrion's ending: I can actually see him dying in the books but I get why the show spared him. He's a fan favorite and I like the idea he might finally right his wrongs. Really wish we would have gotten a pay off to his honeycomb and jackass joke though.
Other random thoughts: Brienne is a better woman than I am. YAY PODRICK! Ser Davos is a treasure and I would have rioted if he died. Jon Arryn is that you? He seemed almost normal! I hate to say this but his mom dying might be the best thing that happened to him. You tried Samwell. Yes, Yara I'm sure those burnt children are so grateful to Dany for freeing them. Greyworm I appreciate you want to honor your lost love by protecting her people but you're going to die of butterfly fever. The fate of the direwolves kinda reflected the fates of their owners. The show ended where it began.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 4:15:09 GMT -4
By the way, I think voting for a king means nothing if it's still and always the same families who rule the other kingdoms (?) and then sit in to cast their votes. They laughed at the idea of a people's vote but this "new" system means that succession is still super insecure. Then again, Tyrion Lannister is apparently the one now who gets to make all the new rules and people just listen to him, so maybe he will simply appoint the next king (preferably another young man or woman who just checks out when things get boring and lets others do his business).
And the North being the only independent kingdom will totally not last.
No, I didn't expect a perfect ending, but at least some common sense. They've been doing this for two seasons: sell utter bullshit plans as some genius ideas. White men need to be stopped, seriously.
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Post by kostgard on May 21, 2019 11:59:10 GMT -4
By the way, I think voting for a king means nothing if it's still and always the same families who rule the other kingdoms (?) and then sit in to cast their votes. They laughed at the idea of a people's vote but this "new" system means that succession is still super insecure. Then again, Tyrion Lannister is apparently the one now who gets to make all the new rules and people just listen to him, so maybe he will simply appoint the next king (preferably another young man or woman who just checks out when things get boring and lets others do his business). And the North being the only independent kingdom will totally not last. No, I didn't expect a perfect ending, but at least some common sense. They've been doing this for two seasons: sell utter bullshit plans as some genius ideas. White men need to be stopped, seriously. Yeah, if their point was "The wheel was never going to be broken. It is just going to keep on turning, just with a new coat of paint slapped on it" then the ending is pretty clever. But...I don't know if that was their point. It's just going to lead to more corruption and squabbling over who gets to be the next king with no guarantee that the next king will be decent or just the guy who paid off enough committee members. That's really not much better than "He's the king's eldest son, so he's the next king." Now, if they talked about limiting a king's power by adding some sort of senate, that would be something. But the only thing that changed was "Instead of inheriting the crown, the 1%-ers get to choose the king." Some things will surely be marginally better, because you've got people like Sam saying, "Hey, I hear clean water is a good idea." And one would hope that Brienne is allowed to have some level of influence to keep these jokers in check. But, these same ding-dongs made Bronn Master of Coin. A couple seasons back Tyrion had to explain to him how bank loans work and why it's a bad idea to just default on them. Now he holds the purse strings. At the very least he's going to skim off the top. More likely he's going to completely mishandle everything and bankrupt the crown. When Tyrion said something about checking back in on them in 10 years, I desperately wanted a quick flash forward where basically everything's on fire again, Brienne checked out years ago to go back to Sansa, Bronn ran off with all the money, Bran doesn't care, and Tyrion's just standing there, like, "Well...crap." |
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Post by Babycakes on May 21, 2019 16:34:26 GMT -4
I've seen some pretty funny lines about "breaking the wheel" on some reaction videos. One person said that the D&D didn't break the wheel, they just reinforced it. Paraphrasing--"They broke down the multiple wheel vehicle, and just refitted it with two of the same wheels (2 Stark monarchs). Chaos isn't a ladder, it's a ramp." It made me snort.  |
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Post by Coffeecakes on May 21, 2019 17:24:27 GMT -4
Two of the most useless people who do nothing ended up with the most power of course. Bran did nothing, but get marked by the Night King and now all of a sudden wants to be King? He said he wasn't Brandon Stark anymore and lived in the past now. I can buy the theory that he is the true villain and wanted the throne and will basically keep it as he can just transfer his consciousness into the next person elected King. BloodRaven lasted a few hundred years, he will too.
Also the North only got their independence via pure nepotism. What makes them so special to get it? The Iron Islands actually went to war twice to get theirs and Dorne never even bowed down, they married into the Royal family. Riverlands have always been fucked over, they should get it too. At least Sansa ended up all alone. Her stans fantasized her with everyone noteworthy. Oops.
All of the Kingdoms should have been separate. And if Bran can see everything, what is the point of Tyrion looking for a candidate for master of whisperers? Why was he named Hand when he became such a gigantic fuck up? He literally fucked up Dany's entire lead with stupid decision after stupid decision.
And Drogon letting Jon live? The Unsullied and Dothraki too? Pure bullshit. The Dothraki alone would have dragged his ass behind their horses for the hell of it.
Dany should have been going mad since last season. I hope the books come out and executes it where it ia done well.
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Post by Mugsy on May 21, 2019 21:34:52 GMT -4
Dany has been going mad slowly for the past several seasons. She repeatedly executed people in cruel ways purely out of vengeance when her advisors told her not to. The madness ramped up full throttle when her two dearest friends were killed, and she felt betrayed by both her Hand and her lover. I think that's very obvious.
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Post by batmom on May 22, 2019 10:16:22 GMT -4
Dany has been going mad slowly for the past several seasons. She repeatedly executed people in cruel ways purely out of vengeance when her advisors told her not to. The madness ramped up full throttle when her two dearest friends were killed, and she felt betrayed by both her Hand and her lover. I think that's very obvious. I think her dimples and pretty blonde hair led some people to miss the cruelty. We wanted this woman who championed the down trodden to be who she said she was and, gosh, she's so pretty, that the signs were over looked. |
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Post by Babycakes on May 28, 2019 22:00:28 GMT -4
Final season drove Jon Snow to enter rehab. Yikes.  |
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Post by kostgard on May 28, 2019 22:08:04 GMT -4
Final season drove Jon Snow to enter rehab. Yikes. I had heard a rumor that he drank a bit too much, but I didn't know if there was any truth to it. Poor guy. Sounds like he's gotta work through some stuff. I watched the "making of" documentary HBO put out, and rather liked it. Instead of focusing on the cast or producers, it was mostly about the crew and a few of the extras, which was really refreshing. Kit and Emilia got the most screen time out of the main cast. Kit did seem pretty emotional on his last day of filming, and he was emotional at the table read (Conleth "Varys" Hill was too, but he was clearly unhappy with the script. To be fair, I think he learned at that table read that he gets killed in the fifth episode, and he's already talked about how he was miffed that the producers didn't give him a heads-up. They clearly gave one to Emilia - when they got to the scene where Jon kills Dany, Kit looks at her in shock and she just sadly nods. She already knew). |
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