Wonder Woman

[lea1977]

Just came back from seeing it, it was nearly 2 and a half hours and didn't feel that way because it was just awesome. Gal did a great job, she was strong yet sweetly naive at the same time. "Why are they hurting those animals" really teared me up. Chris Pine is utterly charming.

[tszuj]

Jun 10, 2017 22:39:01 GMT -4 Binky said:

Jun 2, 2017 23:20:52 GMT -4 kostgard said:

Surprisingly low on action. There are really just three big action sequences. But the movie doesn't need a ton. This is really and truly about the characters. And I really liked that the focus isn't on how "sexy" Diana is. She doesn't have a slinky/sexy fighting style. She's just powerful. People comment on her beauty, but no one is ogling her, despite her tiny outfit.

I left just wishing I got more. More Robin Wright. She was a badass. More Etta Candy. They sort of touch on the idea that she is a Suffragette and I wish we got to learn more about her.

I 100% place the lack of sexualization of Diana on the female director. I kept waiting for the ass and/or tits shot to somehow prove her strength/fighting, but it never came. I also LOVED that there were moments where they showed that she could wipe the floor with Chris Pine if she wanted and HE knew it and was physically made aware of that. So rare/non-existent in movies.

Overall, I enjoyed the movie, but I wanted 2 more hours of the Amazons. The Amazons fighting everyone invading their island. Robin Wright needs her own damn movie.

I stand by my opinion that Gal Gadot is too slight, but this is a movie that needed to exist. It also needed a better trailer than it had, because the trailer wasn't representative at all.

I particularly liked how they shot the pool scene. I noticed all Gal's shots were closeups of her face and all Chris' shots were like from the waist up, and it was a real inversion of how films usually shoot men and women. A real anti-male gaze.

[ratscabies]

I dunno what y'all are talkin' about.

I was gazing plenty....

[kostgard]

This is an interesting little Twitter thread from a costume designer on the costumes in WW.

She basically talks about how the costumes for all the Amazons were based on actual ancient Roman armor, and not, you know, underwear (as is frequently the case with female superheroes).

[jynni]

I finally got around to seeing this over the weekend and enjoyed it much more than I thought I would - especially Gal Gadot as WW. I typically do not like comicbook/superhero movies. XMen, anything Marvel (save Guardians and Deadpool), even much of Nolan's Batman trilogy left me underwhelmed. One of the biggest reasons being the poorly written, throwaway female characters. What I didn't realize is that another reason those movies irritated me was because when a halfway decent female role is included, she's usually costumed and filmed in a very sexualized manner. And that, "male gaze", I guess is something I'm so used to seeing onscreen that I've never noticed it. Until it's not there. So I'm thrilled that this film has given rise to conversation surrounding that aspect of movies/TV, etc.

I was a huuuuuuge Xena fan in my teenage years and WW brought back good memories of watching Lucy Lawless kick ass all over mythical ancient Greece. Ahhhhh, it would've been great if they'd cast her as one of the Amazons! Maybe in the next WW movie....

I was having a hard time understanding the hype surrounding the movie - especially the all-woman screenings and such but thinking about it now, my 15 year old self would have LOVED and worshiped this WW movie had it existed back then. And I get it now. And I'm thrilled this movie exists so a 15 year old girl growing up today's world has a Hollywood example of strength without sexualization.

Thought Chris Pine was excellent and even though I rolled my eyes at the (IMO, unnecessary) implied sex scene, thought he played the "love interest" well. I read a comment on another board that said Pine as Steve was written and filmed the way women wish the female love interests were portrayed in male superhero movies and I very much agree.

Did have some quibbles re: pacing, length, and the overdone CGI Ares showdown battle. Some typical comicbook plot holes too but that's just par for the course with the genre.

[ElleCee]

So James Cameron is dissing the movie, calling it a "step backwards"

"James Cameron claims “all of the self-congratulatory back-patting Hollywood’s been doing over Wonder Woman has been so misguided.”

The Terminator director told The Guardian in a new interview that the Patty Jenkins blockbuster is just “male Hollywood doing the same old thing” on account of the fact that he feels Wonder Woman as a character is “an objectified icon.”

Fuck off James.


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[kostgard]

Yeah, shut up, James. I'm wondering if he actually watched the movie. Yes, WW has been an objectified icon. So has every other female comic character drawn to be absurdly beautiful with tits bigger than her head (which is most of them). But the movie reclaims WW. Not once is she ogled. Her beauty is mentioned, but no one drools all over her (and she should be beautiful. She's a demi-god). And unlike past WW costumes, her boobs aren't busting out of her top. The focus on her body is about her strength.

And he says that Sarah Connor is the better heroine because she's gritty and flawed? Well, I think a lot of people liked this WW precisely because she wasn't gritty and dark. Gritty and dark is all we get nowadays. DC movies are exploding with hero angst. I think a lot of people craved seeing a hero who is just a good person trying to do the right thing and isn't weighed down by emotional baggage.

Also, yes the movie comes out on iTunes next week and yes I've already pre-ordered it.

[Mutagen]

It just seems like another way to hold female characters to "can't win" standards. Oh she's got to be gritty... but she can't be ugly... but she can't be too beautiful or she's objectified... but she has to be strong... but she has to be likable... whatever. Nobody says the gratuitous shirtless scenes the Marvel Chrises get are a step back for men. (I know it's not the same but like, can a female superhero just live?!)

[luminosa]

This is Patty Jenkin's response. Real nice like.

"James Cameron’s inability to understand what Wonder Woman is, or stands for, to women all over the world is unsurprising as, though he is a great filmmaker, he is not a woman. Strong women are great. His praise of my film Monster, and our portrayal of a strong yet damaged woman was so appreciated. But if women have to always be hard, tough and troubled to be strong, and we aren’t free to be multidimensional or celebrate an icon of women everywhere because she is attractive and loving, then we haven’t come very far have we. I believe women can and should be EVERYTHING just like male lead characters should be. There is no right and wrong kind of powerful woman. And the massive female audience who made the film a hit it is, can surely choose and judge their own icons of progress.”

[ElleCee]

So much that. Love you Patty.

It pissed me off that he thinks that only a tortured female soul is art. Fuck that. Joy and love is art as well.