Naya Rivera

[scarlet]

Jul 15, 2020 12:13:19 GMT -4 Wol said:

They're saying based on her son's statements and the coroner/autopsy report that she probably saved her son and then drowned. I never watched Glee and was only peripherally aware of this actress but this is simply heartbreaking.

So heartbreaking and really just shows a mother's love. She must've used every ounce of energy and will in her body to save her son and then had nothing left for herself. I hope she knew she had saved his life before she died.

[Ginger]

Oct 20, 2005 9:22:04 GMT -4 Spinderella said:

I really wonder if this is going to cause people to stop going there or swimming in the near future.

There has been a lot of coverage about the dangers of this lake, but challenging spots and currents are not abnormal in a large body of water. I know people don't want to blame the victim, but there should be more talk going on in the media about the importance of basic water safety and less acting like this lake is some kind of deathtrap. If another adult had been there to throw Naya her life vest and help her back into the boat when she started struggling, she would still be alive.

[Spinderella]

Jul 15, 2020 14:14:12 GMT -4 Ginger said:

Oct 20, 2005 9:22:04 GMT -4 Spinderella said:

I really wonder if this is going to cause people to stop going there or swimming in the near future.

There has been a lot of coverage about the dangers of this lake, but challenging spots and currents are not abnormal in a large body of water. I know people don't want to blame the victim, but there should be more talk going on in the media about the importance of basic water safety and less acting like this lake is some kind of deathtrap. If another adult had been there to throw Naya her life vest and help her back into the boat when she started struggling, she would still be alive.

I agree with you 100%. But my takeaway from the sheriff's press conference was pointing out about the pontoon not being anchored and that even with another adult there, too many times people have gone to help the other one from drowning and end up drowning themselves. Water safety is a given, but I think having anchors and/or telling renters to USE those anchors would be helpful.

If the pontoon hadn't drifted so far from where they were originally swimming, she wouldn't have needed to use every ounce of strength to get her son back on the boat and succumb to her exhaustion.

[Margo]

Everything about this is sad, of course, and we’ll never know the exact details. I wonder why her son’s life jacket wasn’t more helpful. I just did some googling and it really seems like you wouldn’t need to expend energy to stay afloat in calm water. Obviously you’d need to to swim in a particular direction, so maybe that’s what he needed help with. Or maybe there was a current, etc.

[Coffeecakes]

Jul 15, 2020 17:07:45 GMT -4 Margo said:

Everything about this is sad, of course, and we’ll never know the exact details. I wonder why her son’s life jacket wasn’t more helpful. I just did some googling and it really seems like you wouldn’t need to expend energy to stay afloat in calm water. Obviously you’d need to to swim in a particular direction, so maybe that’s what he needed help with. Or maybe there was a current, etc.

I don't think Naya would have even considered that. She probably saw the boat starting to drift, and just wanted to make sure her baby was on the boat. So damn sad.

[Binky]

Who knows how far the boat was from them? Looking how large and treacherous that lake is, the child could have easily drowned even with the flotation device if left there long enough. If she was drowned struggling to get him back to the boat, she also could have drowned treading water and left him floating helpless. Could he even swim?

Just a tragic situation and so fortunate the boy made it.

I am also glad they recovered her for the sale of family closure and the end of the bonkers conspiracy theories social media was pedaling.

[Margo]

Jul 15, 2020 18:26:11 GMT -4 Coffeecakes said:

Jul 15, 2020 17:07:45 GMT -4 Margo said:

Everything about this is sad, of course, and we’ll never know the exact details. I wonder why her son’s life jacket wasn’t more helpful. I just did some googling and it really seems like you wouldn’t need to expend energy to stay afloat in calm water. Obviously you’d need to to swim in a particular direction, so maybe that’s what he needed help with. Or maybe there was a current, etc.

I don't think Naya would have even considered that. She probably saw the boat starting to drift, and just wanted to make sure her baby was on the boat. So damn sad.

I didn't mean to imply Naya should have considered that. And obviously the boy needed help getting into the boat. This is such a tragic story.

[Mugsy]

It is tragic.

I don't really understand swimming with a small child in the middle of a deep murky lake. Why not swim from shore, where he can easily run in and out of the water? Way more fun for him and easier and less stressful for the parent.

[boricuamusicfan]

Jul 14, 2020 8:37:24 GMT -4 Ginger said:

Jul 13, 2020 23:58:12 GMT -4 lea1977 said:

That show could have been a lot better than it was, the Michael Jackson medley and Valerie showed the potential that was wasted by having Rachel sing every other song.

Oh don't get me started on everything that went wrong with that show. I stopped watching when they stopped bothering with the a capella premise and every episode was just a series of music videos for the popular cast members to star in.

That is exactly why I stopped watching. I never cared for Michelle (always found her too fake, too theatrical, too off-putting), but at least I enjoyed the other cast members and the vocal harmonies (and overall simplicity of the musical numbers). Then Murphy decided that instead of charming acapella renditions, they would make elaborately conceived music videos with full arrangements and pointlessly polished production values.
It got real boring real fast.