Charlie Sheen

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Well, I believe someone mentioned that Martin himself is an alcoholic, so perhaps he was drunk when Charlie's problems first started.

As for Denise, no, it's NOT rational to stay in a relationship with an abuser, but it's never so easy to say, "Well, she was stupid, why didn't she leave?" There are so many answers to that. The fact is, abusers are usually very good at controlling the woman, and maybe she thought a baby would change him. At worst, maybe she was stupid, but HE is a sadistic bastard. That's much much worse.

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I can't bring myself to read the full charges on Smoking Gun. But what I have read and seen discussed here makes me hope Denise is NOT making this stuff up. Because if she is, her career is soooo over.

I've never liked Charlie Sheen, and could see him being guilty of all this stuff, but again it's her accusations. Having a brother endure a divorce where his ex lied and used the kids and beat on him, I just can't take Denise's word on this without some proof.

[cocobean]

I can't bring myself to read the full charges on Smoking Gun. But what I have read and seen discussed here makes me hope Denise is NOT making this stuff up. Because if she is, her career is soooo over.

What career?

[marywebgirl]

Will this really hurt his career? I understand his show is very popular, so would CBS really mess with a successful show to protect their "Tiffany Network" reputation?

[luthia]

So, does this mean that Charlie is gay or bisexual? Has anyone heard of this before?

[wakemeuplater]

Well, the declaration includes things that can be proven. She has saved phone messages, she has the doctor who fired them as a witness, she has security guards and the nanny as witnesses, she has people to verify that an intervention was actually staged, etc. She includes stuff that we already knew about like the AIDS test. I can't see Denise just taking a bunch of isolated incidents, mixing them with lies, and then coming up with a cohesive and damaging story. And if she IS lying, what would be her motivation? She obviously has two daughters to protect and I don't see why she would want him kept away from them just 'cuz.

But, anyways, if Denise wanted to lie, she could easily make up with one particular and damaging incident in which Charlie was abusive or what not. The fact that she chronicles two years of his behavior is very telling.

I see Charlie dropping out of his daughters' lives completely after this ordeal is settled. Doesn't he have a grown daughter that he doesn't give two shits about already?

[foxfair]

I said suppose it wasn't kiddie porn, meaning she lied

No. Go back and read the statement again. That's a legal document and it's legalese - it does everything *but* outright accuse Charlie Sheen of looking at child porn. It gets as close as it can without saying "those girls/boys were underage" - it only says they appear underage. Of all of the allegations in that statement, this is one I am most willing to believe, simply because as others have pointed out, it's so easy to track where someone has been on the internet. I'd also say that I doubt it was actual child porn because if Denise's lawyer is any good at all (and the spelling mistakes and her lack of knowledge re: restraining orders being filed or not do make me wonder) he has already had these sites thoroughly checked out and has determined whether or not they were "child porn" (i.e. did they feature models under age 18). If they had found child porn on Charlie's comp, it would have been in that statement in blatant language. As it was, they found porn, and mentioning it in the statement serves the purpose of making Charlie Sheen look like a scumbag.

Although I agree with those who are wondering why Denise had kids with this guy (who had giant flashing red DANGER signs over his head years before they met each other), I can also understand what it's like to be in love with someone who spends 60% of the time treating you so badly you almost can't believe it's happening and the other 40% of the time looking you right in the eye and swearing in Oscar-calibre performances that you are the most precious and beautiful thing ni the world and that they will die without you. Yeah, I know the thing to do in that situation is to tell them to f*** off, but I think loving someone can make that part of it a lot more difficult than it would be to tell a stranger who had treated you badly to f*** off.

[Dr. Freude]

I don't know if what Denise says is true (I am more inclined than not to believe her), but I tihnk everyone knows that Charlie Sheen is, at the very least, a sleazeball.

On a superficial/selfish note, I will never be able to watch The Three Musketeers with the same naive enjoyment again.

[Beeelicious]

wakemeuplater said:

Well, the declaration includes things that can be proven. She has saved phone messages, she has the doctor who fired them as a witness, she has security guards and the nanny as witnesses, she has people to verify that an intervention was actually staged, etc. She includes stuff that we already knew about like the AIDS test. I can't see Denise just taking a bunch of isolated incidents, mixing them with lies, and then coming up with a cohesive and damaging story. And if she IS lying, what would be her motivation? She obviously has two daughters to protect and I don't see why she would want him kept away from them just 'cuz.

But, anyways, if Denise wanted to lie, she could easily make up with one particular and damaging incident in which Charlie was abusive or what not. The fact that she chronicles two years of his behavior is very telling

ITA. Word. Anything else I could possibly say to signify agreement. I read all 17 pages and it made my blood run cold. I was, prior to reading that document, somewhat of a Charlie fan. Oh, prostitutes? Drug addiction and rehab? Silly overprivileged hollywood kid, he'll see the light... I actually thought that he had reformed himself and settled down with Denise. After reading that, I am afraid for her. She has proof, documentation. This isn't a "he said, she said" - this is scary sh**.
I guess having a child who is around the age of Lola might taint my view too, but after thinking of Denise Richards as a pretty, vapid little victim and airhead, I now think of her as brave and even maybe smart. Yeah she made some realllllly bad decisions (horribly badly awfully bad), but damn, no one deserves what she has proof she's going through.

[Ginger]

Well, the declaration includes things that can be proven. She has saved phone messages, she has the doctor who fired them as a witness, she has security guards and the nanny as witnesses, she has people to verify that an intervention was actually staged, etc. She includes stuff that we already knew about like the AIDS test.

She's got the broken wedding picture he spray-painted on. Was anybody else amazed at the size of that wedding picture? 4' x 6'! That's huge! I can't imaging living in my house and walking past a life-size picture of myself every day. Actors.