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Post by Ginger on Oct 3, 2022 16:27:59 GMT -4
Perhaps a little more warmth would have helped with the intra-family communication, but I also suspect if Margrethe had tried to give Joachim a few years advance notice that he would still have kicked up a big fuss. Charles tried to let Harry and Meghan know the score in advance before their children were even born and they ran with it to Oprah and linked it to racism. Loss of privilege really brings out the ugly side of people. I was curious as to whether there was this much dysfunction within the Swedish royal family when the grandchildren's titles were taken away and whether it was just better hidden. Carl Philip and Sofia did a pretty convincing interview in which they put a positive spin on it and said it would give their children "more options" in life. |
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Post by canuckcutie on Oct 3, 2022 17:33:39 GMT -4
Since this was initially discussed in May within the family, QEII passed and the Queen caught COVID. Even if Queen Margrethe was amenable to waiting a while longer to take action on removing the titles I can see that she may have realized that if she didn’t take action soon, her health could fail and this could fall to Frederick to deal with.
At any rate I have a hard time believing she was ever onboard with punting this 14 years down the road (when Joachim’s youngest child turns 25). Maybe that was Joachim’s suggestion to try and delay and his mother humored him but I can’t see it was ever a realistic possibility.
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Post by luckylexie on Oct 3, 2022 19:04:03 GMT -4
Wow, I didn’t know Joachim and his family were such ungracious losers. Loss of privilege and an ensuing tantrum really does expose the insufferable ones in royal families. Jesus, the more I think about it (and as much as I love following the royals and their traditions because it’s fun to drool over jewels and palaces and their history), I think the sooner we end hereditary monarchy, the better.
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Post by Ginger on Oct 3, 2022 19:47:56 GMT -4
The Daily Mail has helpfully reminded us that CP Frederik is right now doing what often appears to be his full-time job, which is participating in a sailing regatta. It doesn't exactly make a good case for why he deserves his title.
"Bogan Mary" is the only one besides Margrethe earning her keep.
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Post by Auroranorth on Oct 3, 2022 20:03:54 GMT -4
I'm not buying that this was an out of the blue decision the way Joachim is implying. Royalty generally doesn't go off on a wild hair unless there's a crisis. I'm guessing Margrethe talked to him about it before, and he was hoping to stave it off or get her to change her mind. But I can totally see why she'd think that now is the time to get it over with. Her contemporary just died, she got Covid, she's 82 and while she shows no signs of abdicating, she doesn't want to leave this on Fredrik's plate when she does go.
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Post by featherhat on Oct 3, 2022 23:54:39 GMT -4
With CP and Sophia, I think it's interesting to note that his parents absolutely wanted him to be Crown Prince above his older sister. They event had his birth announced as CP at birth even though they knew the law was changing soon. So whilst the King seems to still wish it CP has to have thought it through and realised that if he was CPCP it would have been much more difficult to marry Sophia, to deal with his dyslexia and possibly even to do things like his motor racing as the heir.
Possibly also he was fine with "taking one for the team" and helping his sister Madeleine out and was okay with that. Swedish HRHs/in the line of succession have to be raised in Sweden and whilst GC punted that as much as he could it was getting to the point where they had to do something. So he took the HRHs of all the kids but left them with their Duchies and courtesy Prince/ss rather than having to remove them from the line of succession and dropping all titles altogether and refocused the future on Victoria and Estelle. And much of the grumbling about Madeleine's kids living in Florida when they were supposed to be in Sweden went away.
Meanwhile it does give the family more options and they do appear to spend a lot of time with is parents and he's still the favourite. So it's a win-win and they focused on that rather than the HRH part.
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Post by americanchai on Oct 4, 2022 6:56:07 GMT -4
All of the Swedish children still have the prince/princess title though. Just sayin'.
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Post by featherhat on Oct 4, 2022 14:17:33 GMT -4
All of the Swedish children still have the prince/princess title though. Just sayin'. That's very true, but a lot of royals (and royal watchers) *really* care about that HRH. A lot of people seem to think that the reason Princess Caroline hasn't divorced her husband is because she's technically now HRH instead of HSH, even when he only holds his in pretension and her's is not only legal but her brother has real power in Monaco. No doubt keeping Prince/ss helped smooth feathers but it was still a big change, and Julian who was born after this happened was not given the Order of Seraphim at birth or a royal coat of arms unlike his siblings and I don't think his parents have publicly expressed unhappiness that he's "lesser" than his older brothers. |
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Post by chitowngirl on Dec 31, 2023 13:34:50 GMT -4
The link redirects back here….the sentence in blue, not the “link” word. |
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Post by Auroranorth on Dec 31, 2023 13:59:47 GMT -4
Well, I hadn't expected that, but it's not too surprising. It may also explain why the grandkid's titles were revoked last year, if Queen Margarethe was looking to step down in the fairly near future and didn't want to leave that on her heir's plate.
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