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Post by kostgard on Dec 6, 2020 23:41:43 GMT -4
I’m Gen X and I like that Teen Wol and her contemporaries are going to ask “What pronoun do you prefer?” the same way we used to ask someone’s name or ask what they do. It’s going to be integrated into the polite way to make an introduction. I’ve noticed that when young people (early 20s or teens) meet my dog, they are careful not to misgender him, and I think it is just the sweetest thing. Everyone older than that just says “him” or “her” while the kids are sure to use more neutral terms, like “they”. The first time it happened, I thought it was just that particular kid. But now it has happened several times with young people. Part of me wants to say that he’s just a dog and he probably doesn’t have a gender identity, so call him whatever. But I’m just kinda touched that these kids are taking such care to be respectful of even a dog or their owner. As for Elliot’s manager switching between “him” and “they” - Elliot did say in his statement that he uses both him and they. I’ve seen a couple other trans people who use “they” in additional to him or her. I’m not sure of the reasoning behind it - I don’t think I’ve heard a trans person explain beyond a shrug and saying “I’m cool with both.” |
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Post by Ginger on Dec 7, 2020 0:13:49 GMT -4
As for Elliot’s manager switching between “him” and “they” - Elliot did say in his statement that he uses both him and they. I was confused about this because Elliot's statement said "My pronouns are he/they". I've typically seen "he/him" unless the person identified as non-binary. I assumed it was intentional that the statement said "he/they" rather than "he/him" or "he/him/they" but I didn't know what the reason was. And people are widely using "him" anyway. |
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Post by hildymatildy on Dec 7, 2020 6:58:57 GMT -4
I’m Gen X and I like that Teen Wol and her contemporaries are going to ask “What pronoun do you prefer?” the same way we used to ask someone’s name or ask what they do. It’s going to be integrated into the polite way to make an introduction. I’ve noticed that when young people (early 20s or teens) meet my dog, they are careful not to misgender him, and I think it is just the sweetest thing. Everyone older than that just says “him” or “her” while the kids are sure to use more neutral terms, like “they”. The first time it happened, I thought it was just that particular kid. But now it has happened several times with young people. Part of me wants to say that he’s just a dog and he probably doesn’t have a gender identity, so call him whatever. But I’m just kinda touched that these kids are taking such care to be respectful of even a dog or their owner. As for Elliot’s manager switching between “him” and “they” - Elliot did say in his statement that he uses both him and they. I’ve seen a couple other trans people who use “they” in additional to him or her. I’m not sure of the reasoning behind it - I don’t think I’ve heard a trans person explain beyond a shrug and saying “I’m cool with both.” People who identify as non-binary often prefer to be referred to as they because because him/her are not gender neutral words. |
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Post by Neurochick on Dec 7, 2020 11:11:25 GMT -4
I started using the pronouns they/them about 15 years ago.
Part of my job, at the time was processing J1 and H1 Visas for people who were coming to do a postdoctoral fellowship with my boss. About 98% of the Visa were from China and India and I realized that I had no clue from the names who was male and who was female. So when I would email them I'd refer to them as "Doctor" because they already had their PhD's, and when speaking about them I'd use they/them because it was easier than using the wrong pronoun.
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Post by tanyak on Dec 7, 2020 11:31:38 GMT -4
I work on the branding and communications team at my company. We recently reconfigured our standard company signature to give people a place to list their preferred pronouns if they so choose. This was spurred in part by the re-emergence of the LGBTQ+ affinity group, which had been dormant for about a year.
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Post by Auroranorth on Dec 8, 2020 11:19:03 GMT -4
I’ve noticed that when young people (early 20s or teens) meet my dog, they are careful not to misgender him, and I think it is just the sweetest thing. Everyone older than that just says “him” or “her” while the kids are sure to use more neutral terms, like “they”. The first time it happened, I thought it was just that particular kid. But now it has happened several times with young people. Part of me wants to say that he’s just a dog and he probably doesn’t have a gender identity, so call him whatever. But I’m just kinda touched that these kids are taking such care to be respectful of even a dog or their owner. I find myself using "floof" as an all-purpose term. Nobody seems to mind it. I'm retired, so I don't go through them very fast, but I think the next time I order business cards ("name cards" I guess), I'm going to add my pronouns. Just do my bit to help normalize things. I added mine to my workplace email sig when I started my new job in May, and have seen other people do it. Also, the last SFF con I attended (a year or so before Covid) left a place on your nametag to indicate pronouns, which I liked. |
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Post by Nysha on Dec 8, 2020 18:23:20 GMT -4
It takes my brain a minute to process they/them as a single person, but I'm making myself read articles using those pronouns because I want it to be as natural as he/she.
I've reworked my Utopian society to eliminate gender as an identifier, although I haven't settled on a universal pronoun yet. I've also changed the alphabet to give each letter its own unique sound and changed the calendar into a 5 day/6 week per month scheme. I may be slightly more obsessed with this than is healthy.
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Post by prisma on Dec 8, 2020 18:51:25 GMT -4
I really wish English had a gender-neutral pronoun. He/she is so cumbersome in writing, using "one" sounds snooty (unless that's your intention), and putting stuff in the plural often makes things more complicated than necessary.
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Post by ladyboy on Dec 8, 2020 22:59:01 GMT -4
I asked a native French speaker if they used on as a gender neutral term and they said not really, so having one in English may not help with gender identity usage. I thought they totally would be using it since it’s already built into the language. I’m very interested in how different languages adopt non-binary pronouns.
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Post by kanding on Dec 9, 2020 1:12:25 GMT -4
I've been ok for a while now with they/them signifying an indefinite singular person (Example: The ideal candidate will have a graduate degree. They will also have a experience in the area.)
It's the definite singular that makes me stumble. I need some work on this.
Many Filipino languages use siya for he/she.
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