thneed
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Post by thneed on Apr 1, 2015 10:56:56 GMT -4
If we try to apply the standard of "never told a bad or offensive joke" there would be no one who could meet it. Not a one. Chris Rock has said he's never have a career now if all his early work at clubs was on youtube. It used to be that you try out bad jokes in clubs, they bomb, or you tell bad fratty jokes for awhile, then you grow up, your humor refines itself, and you get better.
But now every bad joke you've ever made is online. Add that to how easy and righteous it feels to bring someone down, to uncover a scandal, to think that everyone is a secret racist or misogynist monster deep inside, and you aren't. You're better than them because you're shaming them the loudest. Because you're signalling you have less tolerance for those kinds of attitude than anyone else. "See, look how non-racist and non-sexist I am! I have so little tolerance for it that I have to loudly and publically shame someone! If you're less vociferous in your attacks, you must not mind this behaviour as much as I do!"
Defending Trevor in the basis that his mother is half-Jewish is doesn't make sense. Being one-quarter something doesn't provide any insight into being a member of that group. But I can believe that based on these tweets, he's not an anti-Semite. It's hardly a consistent pattern. It hasn't been corroborated by reports on his behaviour towards Jews (and he's toured all over the world), and he's done the apology.
I'm not saying these tweets shouldn't be discussed. But before we condemn him, we should try to find one comic who meets the standards of behavoiur we're demanding.
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Post by scarlet on Apr 1, 2015 11:05:21 GMT -4
Well said, theneed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 11:41:23 GMT -4
How about Jon Stewart?
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chiquita
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Post by chiquita on Apr 1, 2015 12:24:48 GMT -4
When Jon Stewart was in his 20s, there was no Internet. Lord only knows what idiotic things he said over the years.
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Post by prisma on Apr 1, 2015 13:21:22 GMT -4
I remember readying a gossip item about Jon in his twenties that he would hoover up any kind of drug available at parties. Don't know what kind of jokes he told back then, but I wouldn't be shocked if there wasn't something offensive in there somewhere. Jon's an institution now, but I heard him in a recent interview laugh about how The Daily Show was his first steady gig ever.
I will come out and say there are pictures of me in costume from my senior (high school) costume party that I am deeply ashamed of. My intention was not to be offensive--I just wanted to be funny--but as a 17-year-old my head was firmly up my ass. I've also grown and matured a lot since then. But DAAAAAANGGGGG am I glad that social media didn't exist when those were taken.
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Post by Mugsy on Aug 7, 2015 13:35:17 GMT -4
I thought the finale was perfect - from having all the previous correspondents come back even for a 15-second spot (so much talent!), to showing and acknowledging the efforts and sense of humour of the behind-the-scenes crew, to the montage of "thank goodness you're leaving" enemy clips (even if I don't like someone, I admire them for participating in something where they know they're the bad guy), to briefly giving Trevor Noah a bit with the tape measure, to Colbert's heartfelt speech and Jon's reaction to it, to his "don't put up with bullshit" rant, and to closing out with Springsteen.
He will be missed, and I wish Trevor Noah well. I also think it will be a hard row to hoe for him, since the internet is a cruel bitch and he will be harshly judged just because.
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Post by divasahm on Aug 7, 2015 16:07:29 GMT -4
He will be missed, and I wish Trevor Noah well. I also think it will be a hard row to hoe for him, since the internet is a cruel bitch and he will be harshly judged just because. From a historical perspective, I can remember thinking exactly the same thing about Jon when he took over from Craig Kilborn. A lot has changed since then, but I hope that everyone will give Trevor a chance to succeed in his own way. Top moments for me: Colbert: "One of us is normal-sized and doesn't have hairy toes"; John McCain and the Jon Stewart puppet; Craig Kilborn's blink-and-you-missed-it salute, and the awkward-but-sweet exchange between Jon and Wyatt Cenac. I will not lie--this Springsteen fan got misty during "Land of Hope and Dreams", but when they switched keys at the end and started that long build to the last verse of "Born to Run", I lost it. As in, scared-the-dog, group-hug-from-all-three-kids lost it. Please, no more good-byes for a while (unless they're GOP presidential candidates)...
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mementomori
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Post by mementomori on Sept 28, 2015 23:21:14 GMT -4
Watching the show with Trevor Noah right now. Kinda loving it, there's definitely an edge too. Hope he keeps the energy up.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2015 6:37:44 GMT -4
Go Trevor! The Daily Show lives on!!
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Post by divasahm on Sept 29, 2015 8:54:59 GMT -4
I thought he knocked it out of the park. He did a GREAT job! And he kept the Moment of Zen, which was a favorite of mine.
I'm feeling really good about this...
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