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Post by scarlet on Dec 25, 2020 22:59:02 GMT -4
Watched WW84, and I would say I was entertained. It’s not the best, but it isn’t terrible. I really enjoyed it--though I would agree the first half is stronger than the back-end. I'm not a huge comic book movie fan, so maybe that's better for these movies, as I'm not constantly thinking how my mind's eye imagined them, etc. Regardless, I had fun watching it and that's all I really expected or needed from it. |
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Post by bluemuna on Dec 25, 2020 23:02:42 GMT -4
The first half is better than the last, I think. Chris Pine is still great at playing Steve, and Gal Gadot is still great as Diana. I agree about the story just not really being there. It was both a very specific and non-premise-premise. It felt like it was creating this overly complicated plot that was escalating rather quickly but had zero depth to it. It also felt like the metaphor they were trying to run through the story didn’t work. I got the point with young Diana at the beginning but I didn’t see this whole thing with truth and lying running through until the very first inning with Max and Alistair. It was clunky and forced. And how they kept referencing “The Monkey’sPaw” like everyone in the world knows what that is... I really like Pedro Pascal but I think only in fantasy and science-fiction. He just seems kind of blah to me when he’s just a regular guy even if he is crazed with power. I also think Barbara was almost completely unnecessary. What did you miss? I saw the mid credits scene, but I don’t know what you saw that made you realize that was going to happen! And I just don’t think I have it in me to go back and rewatch that movie anytime soon. |
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Post by kostgard on Dec 25, 2020 23:52:49 GMT -4
What did you miss? I saw the mid credits scene, but I don’t know what you saw that made you realize that was going to happen! And I just don’t think I have it in me to go back and rewatch that movie anytime soon. It was the scene where Diana shows Steve what happened to Asteria, the original owner of the armor, in the flashback using her lasso. They did a close-up on Asteria’s eyes - those were Lynda Carter’s eyes. The plot was paper-thin and kinda nonsensical, which was the problem. The characters carry the movie, though I have some issue there as well: Like, Steve shows up in another man’s body, and no one is the least bit concerned about what happened to that guy. He was clearly a person with a life and a messy apartment. At the end when Diana sees him and he’s marveling at the snow, I was all, “No wonder he’s all ‘appreciate every moment’ because 5-6 months ago he had a SERIOUSLY traumatic experience where he blinked out of existence for a few days, probably doesn’t remember what happened to him while he was gone, probably woke up in his apartment where clearly someone else had been going through his stuff, and apparently the world went to hell while he was gone. That’s got to mess you up.” Diana and Steve also had moments where they really lost focus. Like, they’re all “We need to get to Cairo to stop Max Lord!” Then they decide to take a detour to look at the pretty fireworks. Get your asses to Egypt, you two! I think “Well shit, Diana!” was the line of the movie. Perhaps it was the delivery. |
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Post by Mutagen on Dec 26, 2020 9:55:45 GMT -4
For me, Pedro Pascal 100% carried the movie. He was absolutely chomping down on every piece of scenery he could get his teeth on, but he was also the main thing giving the movie its energy. His final scenes and flashbacks actually did get to me emotionally, again, mainly because he sold the hell out of it. As for the rest of it, it was not as good as the first WW, but I still enjoyed it. Diana and Steve's chemistry was lovely. Kristen Wiig had the character I was most skeptical about and mostly made it work (although her final appearance was a little too Cats-like for me, but her performance was fine). There was nothing catastrophically bad about it, but just a lot of little things bugged me that sort of added up: (Spoilers) Spoiler
- The race at the beginning. It's totally possible I missed this as I was settling in, but did they explain why a 9 year old was competing against adult women? The whole "you cheated" lesson seemed kind of silly to me as a result.
- The U.S. President. Was he supposed to actually be Ronald Reagan or an alternate universe knockoff? To avoid controversy I get why they would have left it ambiguous, but it completely took me out of the movie trying to figure it out. (As a longtime Reagan hater I'm completely fine with depicting him as a spittle flecked psycho, by the way.)
- The oil emir guy in Egypt. Not a plot hole per se, but after the first movie handled the story of the Arab soldier who was denied his dream of becoming an actor because of his ethnicity, it was disappointing to see a straightforward Arab stereotype bingo card character. (Spoilers) |
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Post by Ladybug on Dec 26, 2020 11:55:34 GMT -4
Despite my problems with the movie, I didn’t hate it. But it was definitely not as good as the first film. I missed the Amazons and the guys Diana fought with, Steve Trevor’s crew. The plot was weak, really weak. And in the end, Diana just talked the bad guy into renouncing. We didn’t even see him face any consequences for the destruction and chaos he caused. He’s redeemed because he loved his kid. At least show the cops arresting him. Did Barbara just go back to work the next day? We never got a resolution.
I thought it was lame that Diana spent 70 years pining for a guy she knew for a couple of weeks. The whole thing with the wishing stone was contrived to bring back Chris Pine because he & Gal do have amazing chemistry, but it was at the expense of the story. At the end when Diana meets Steve’s bodily “host” and he had no idea who she was, I was thinking “she’s seen your penis, dude.”
I liked how they started the friendship of Barbara and Diana. Then the focus of the plot shifts to the Black Gold guy who was obviously a stand in for Trump. Then Barbara shows up randomly from time to time just to remind us she’s there. Their fight at the end was cartoonish. The gold armor looked cool, but did she really need it? And did she have to go all the way back to her apartment to get it? She just shows up wearing it. I think they could’ve dropped it, it felt like it was added just to set up the cameo.
Don’t get me started on the plane thing. Planes at museums are not fueled and ready to fly when you hop in. Most of them don’t even have all their mechanical parts, they’re just for show. There was almost no set up to the “invisible” thing. And how did Steve know how to just hop in and fly a JET with no training?! And they had fireworks in the 1900s, why did they act like he’d never seen them? He’s confused about fireworks, but can fly a JET airplane because he’s just that amazing. These stupid plot holes took me out of the movie. I actually liked the obstacle course at the beginning. It was a little American Ninja Warrior, but that’s what I liked about the first movie, seeing badass women doing amazing physical things. |
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Post by scarlet on Dec 26, 2020 12:11:26 GMT -4
I think “Well shit, Diana!” was the line of the movie. Perhaps it was the delivery. Pine's delivery was just *chef's kiss.* I let out a bark of a laugh. |
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Post by kostgard on Dec 26, 2020 12:24:32 GMT -4
I totally agree on the ending: I was thinking, “Okay, at the very least that dude loses visitation rights with his kid, right? And I think they intentionally left things open/ambiguous with Cheetah, but did she turn back to normal or does she spend the rest of days looking like a Cats cast reject? On the fireworks - I think Steve had seen fireworks before, I think he just thought it would be cool to see them up close from inside an invisible jet. Though the scene looked lovely, I just kept thinking, “You’re wasting time and fuel! Go to Cairo!” I also wondered how that jet had enough fuel to get them to Cairo and how it had enough to get them back. . I’m mixed on the obstacle course - I really liked it, but there was too much CGI at times (though this is where they clearly brought in the cirque du soleil people), and since when did the Amazons know about spandex? And I’m still miffed that they traded out their truly athletic-looking actresses for supermodels-with-a-gym-membership-looking actresses. As far as I could tell, they only brought back one actress (who isn’t Robin Wright or Connie Nielsen) from the first movie, and she was the most supermodel-looking of the original bunch (she’s the blonde standing next to Diana at the starting line who looks down at her like, “I’m racing against a nine year old? Oooookay...”) |
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Post by bluemuna on Dec 26, 2020 16:52:17 GMT -4
It was the scene where Diana shows Steve what happened to Asteria, the original owner of the armor, in the flashback using her lasso. They did a close-up on Asteria’s eyes - those were Lynda Carter’s eyes. This is how much the movie dragged for me. I could sort of forgotten about that right after it ended. But I will say this that during the close-up of the eyes, my main thought was more about how lush her lashes looked than how much ass she could potentially kick. Pedro Pascal 100% carried the movie. He was absolutely chomping down on every piece of scenery he could get his teeth on, but he was also the main thing giving the movie its energy. His final scenes and flashbacks actually did get to me emotionally, again, mainly because he sold the hell out of it. For me that was kind of the problem. He was totally committed but he was so over the top from the jump. He didn’t escalate in madness he just got louder in front of more people. And he wasn’t in any of the little flashbacks to Max’s backstory that I thought were actually moving. Which by the way felt like cheating once again. Just like with the whole invisible jet thing. They just sprung it on you with no set up and thus the revelation played no importance at any other point in the show. I’m still trying to decide which of Alastair’s parents was worse, Max or the mystery mom who just kept dropping him off at the office despite the growing tensions outside the door. I will say this, I would get married in the white dress that Diana wore to the gala. She looked amazing. I think “Well shit, Diana!” was the line of the movie. Perhaps it was the delivery. Pine's delivery was just *chef's kiss.* I let out a bark of a laugh. Yes!!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 17:13:29 GMT -4
I was entertained. But I had a few quibbles and nitpicks that I couldn't look past: Spoilers:
That competition in Themyscira was to demonstrate how special Diana was as a result of her parentage. I'm sure the other Amazons knew this wasn't an ordinary child.
I didn't like the way Steve was brought back to Diana. That man whose body Steve "borrowed"? He didn't have anyone who would have noticed he was missing for a few days? Was he aware that he was possessed?
I like the idea of the invisible plane since Diana didn't know how to fly under her own power yet. But where did she park it after getting back to DC? Also is she going to learn how to fly the plane, since she is not a pilot?
How did Maxwell Lord know that "Steve" wasn't a real boy in their fight at the White House? How was he able to see that? |
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Post by kostgard on Dec 26, 2020 17:34:43 GMT -4
It was the scene where Diana shows Steve what happened to Asteria, the original owner of the armor, in the flashback using her lasso. They did a close-up on Asteria’s eyes - those were Lynda Carter’s eyes. This is how much the movie dragged for me. I could sort of forgotten about that right after it ended. But I will say this that during the close-up of the eyes, my main thought was more about how lush her lashes looked than how much ass she could potentially kick. Pedro Pascal 100% carried the movie. He was absolutely chomping down on every piece of scenery he could get his teeth on, but he was also the main thing giving the movie its energy. His final scenes and flashbacks actually did get to me emotionally, again, mainly because he sold the hell out of it. For me that was kind of the problem. He was totally committed but he was so over the top from the jump. He didn’t escalate in madness he just got louder in front of more people. And he wasn’t in any of the little flashbacks to Max’s backstory that I thought were actually moving. Which by the way felt like cheating once again. Just like with the whole invisible jet thing. They just sprung it on you with no set up and thus the revelation played no importance at any other point in the show. I’m still trying to decide which of Alastair’s parents was worse, Max or the mystery mom who just kept dropping him off at the office despite the growing tensions outside the door. I will say this, I would get married in the white dress that Diana wore to the gala. She looked amazing. Pine's delivery was just *chef's kiss.* I let out a bark of a laugh. Yes!!!! I was thinking about the eye makeup/lashes in that close-up, too! But I also thought he eyes looked familiar. But in the moment I was just all, “Eh. Maybe they reused an actor we’ve already seen in the background.” But when I saw the credits scene I immediately was all, “Oooooohh! That’s who that was. Duh. Of course.” I should also note that I was able to recognize the eyes thanks to a new/old series HBOMax added to their lineup this week. Just to not spoil anyone: They added the 1970s Wonder Woman series. They showed reruns of that show when I was a little kid in the 80s and I was obsessed, so it has been a real nostalgia trip. And yes, I love everything about the white dress. I love the jewelry and the sheer gold nail polish she wears in that scene. And it is a testament to how important it is that these movies are directed by a woman (I understand Patty Jenkins left WB so she could go to Disney and make a Star War, so whomever replaces her should also be a woman). That dress was cut up to her Hello Kitty, but she was never shot in an exploitative way while wearing it. She just looked gorgeous and like the demi-god Diana is. Compare how Gal is shot in these movies to all the ass/boob/up-the-skirt shots she got in Justice League. If they keep making WW movies without Jenkins, they better not dare put a cis/het male behind the camera. The way they supermodeled the Amazons in this movie doesn’t inspire confidence. At least they didn’t hot roll their hair in a ridiculous way like they did in Justice League (again, compare how the Amazons are shot/costumed in these movies compared to JL). ETA: Okay, to balance out my nitpicking, this is super-cute. |
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